Wednesday, October 31, 2012
Is salvation for the living or the dead?
As I read the chapter on sorteriology I came up with the question: Is salvation for the living or for the dead? As I typed the question for the title of this post the thoughts came to me: What do you mean dead? By dead do I mean the soul? If I mean the soul is not that the Divine nature of me? If it is the Divine nature of me, then it never dies. So, salvation must be for the living. Which living? Well, I don't think the Divine nature needs saving.It is of God now and ever will be. What is left is my human living being right here and right now. So, what saves me right here and right now? What do I need to be saved from? Do I miss the mark? yes. Does missing the mark mean you are separate from God? What can ever separate us from God? God is always present. Does God turn away from us if we screw up? I think not. I feel that Divine urge within urging me back to center time and time again. What saves me? God urging me back to center. Or, God urging me back to live out of God. So, I might be leading towards the reconciling theory or the process theology point of view. Well, at least for this moment.
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hehe Melody. Of course salvation is for the dead- the living would waste it. We need more saved zombies.
ReplyDeleteWhat is the mark anyway? How do you know if you know if you miss it? If God turns away from us missing the mark- does he use his Whole Body to do so?
I feel things urging me back to center sometimes. Or maybe that's when I need the restroom. How can I live out of God? I've lived out of suitcases before, what if I forget to pack God? Will it still be there? :)
I love the questions and humor in both of the posts Melody and Anthony's comments. I find that we go into our questioning and engaging thought processes deeply and begin to discover what works for us and again what doesn't. It's a great place to be when we can realize that we don't know, but we are seeking to know and what we discover becomes laughable because it often comes in the simplicity of "oh yeah" I already got that on a deeper level, but always right on the surface. "Deeper and Surface"...hmmm seems like such a stark contrast, yet that is what is going on everyday.
ReplyDeleteOh my gosh...I feel like I am responding in circles and riddles.. ever have that feeling?
Mel, you mention "God turning away? I think not" I agree, but what I see is it is us at times that "turn away" from ourselves and others- God in Action- we are.
Maybe the part of us that receives the salvation is simply the ego that is lagging behind. I agree that we are always one with God, and that our true self does not need saving. I think that we will all reach the goal of oneness inevitably, because it seems to be the only game in town. Perhaps its simply the ego and its games that need to be expanded into Infinity.
ReplyDeleteSo,this morning, I read a quote that I would like to share, that relates to the comments on this topic. It is from the Nov 25 2012 Science of Mind reading. Two quotes: "God is a circle whose center is everywhere and whose circumference is nowhere." Voltaire and "Reason declares that that Which is Infinite cannot be divided against Itself. The Infinite is, therefore, indivisible and consequently a Perfect Unit." p. 330 The Science of Mind
ReplyDeleteIf God cannot be divided against God's self, then what/who can (or needs to) be "saved"?
Even in the SoM quote, there is inconsistency, for "unit" means a discreet entity - and "infinite" means the opposite - "without boundaries".
So, the thought Jeffrey puts forth, that perhaps a part of us (ego) is just out of sync makes a lot of sense to me.